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Passion
Sept 15, 2012 5:55:06 GMT -5
Post by Christian on Sept 15, 2012 5:55:06 GMT -5
Discuss De Palmas latest, Passion, here.
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Passion
Sept 15, 2012 6:00:15 GMT -5
Post by Christian on Sept 15, 2012 6:00:15 GMT -5
Having followd Brian's career for almost 20 years now it is interesting to see the wildy disparate reaction to "Passion". I have not seen the film yet, but the reactions are not surprising.
Films like Dressed to Kill, Blow Out, Scarface and Carlito's Way were all met with quite a bit of hostility from critics when they were released but are now considered masterpieces.
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Passion
Sept 16, 2012 22:45:57 GMT -5
Post by bdpinnyc on Sept 16, 2012 22:45:57 GMT -5
Being a DePalma fan must make one a bit of a masochist. I await each new film with so much anticipation and always become bereft and defensive when the inevitable critical pounding ensues. I simply need to accept that DePalma will likely never make a film embraced by all and should rather embrace the fact that he's still making films and also unapologetic about his style. Passion sounds like a film for his fans and therefore I could not be more excited. Still, it's not easy seeing some of the hate out there. I'm just glad to see that after some initial knocks, other more positive reviews and comments have emerged.
Also, all the films you mentioned did indeed have a mix of accolades and detractors, except for Carlito's Way. That film was either met with positive or mixed reviews. It never drew the sharp distinctions of some of his other films.
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Passion
Sept 17, 2012 5:53:34 GMT -5
Post by peepingtom on Sept 17, 2012 5:53:34 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm happy the reviews are being divisive. It means it's a real De Palma film, with that De Palma integrity. I would be disappointed if I'd waited this long for his next picture and it turned out to be an anonymous audience pleasing thriller. I may not like it when it comes out, but if it truly feels like one of his movies, then I'll be pleased he's not selling out.
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Passion
Sept 28, 2012 3:36:51 GMT -5
Post by Christian on Sept 28, 2012 3:36:51 GMT -5
From Cinephiliacs via De Palma A la mod: " PASSION IS A FILM ABOUT WOMEN MANIPULATING EACH OTHER VIA DIGITAL IMAGES. "
This is exactly what I needed to hear in order to firmly place this film within the realm of De Palma's exploration of the politics of the visual image: one of De Palmas life-long projects has been to critique the skepticism of and suspiciousness of the images as less real than "real" things. There's a fascinating discussion of this in Becoming Visionary.
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Apr 24, 2013 8:53:36 GMT -5
Post by icecream on Apr 24, 2013 8:53:36 GMT -5
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Passion
Jun 21, 2013 6:15:07 GMT -5
Post by drnix on Jun 21, 2013 6:15:07 GMT -5
Wow I've just seen Passion and I was blown away. Here's my brief review of the film with a couple of mild spoilers...
This is an exquisite film. Passion is playful pure cinema, full of De Palma's common themes and visual styles (voyeurism, technology, obsession, manipulation, deception, guilt, beautiful femme fatales, heightened performances, overt artificiality, deliberate tonal shifts & stylistic flourishes). Whilst the first half of the film plays as a seemingly straightforward corporate drama, replete with corporate backstabbing (and a brilliant, but frankly bonkers Pino Donaggio softcore score). All is not as it seems however, and the second half of the film takes on a completely different direction and moves into the realms of dreams within dreams and German expressionism with a trademark and quite wonderful split screen section involving Mallarmé's/Dubussy's 'Afternoon of the Faun' ballet linking the poem/ballet to a key character and murder of another. There are images and adverts of the ballet shown prior to this, and the story behind Mallarmé's poem (the awakening of a faun and the faun’s encounters with several nymphs in a dreamlike oration) is central to both to the plot of the story & the character & motivations & transformation of Isabella. (Donaggio’s score too transforms to riff’s on Bernard Hermann’s dramatic strings).
Like so many De Palma films, this gets even better with multiple viewings as you realise and understand more what about what you have and haven’t seen, what is and isn't real, & what is a dream or a re-awakening.
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Passion
Jun 23, 2013 13:58:00 GMT -5
Post by Christian on Jun 23, 2013 13:58:00 GMT -5
I just had a chance to see this and - wow - loved it. Exquisite is absolutely right. It may not be quite up there in Dressed to Kill / Blow Out territory (what movie is?), but it's not far behind. I was delighted to see a return to the amazing thriller set pieces of De Palma's work of the seventies, eighties and nineties. You can believe I had a smile around my face watching that end sequence! This is an exquisite film. Passion is playful pure cinema, full of De Palma's common themes and visual styles (voyeurism, technology, obsession, manipulation, deception, guilt, beautiful femme fatales, heightened performances, overt artificiality, deliberate tonal shifts & stylistic flourishes). Agree on almost all of this . The only thing I'm not sure about is the heightened performances/overt artificiality (I presume you mean in terms of the acting..) The only scene I remember of the top of my head is when Christine throws the phone away and yells - How about you call me - never!! Other than that, I don't know how prevalent I found this aspect..
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Passion
Jun 23, 2013 14:36:13 GMT -5
Post by drnix on Jun 23, 2013 14:36:13 GMT -5
Hi Christian, I'm glad you enjoyed Passion too. I've seen it three times now and it is amazing how many things and little tricks that you miss on first or second viewing. I only figured out on later viewings what was a dream and what wasn't (at least I think!) and that's all part of the fun. By "overt artificially" I meant that De Palma rarely makes any attempt to make his films seems "real." By this I mean that you always know you are watching a movie as this is De Palma`s style, he is obsessed with the images of film. By "heightened performances", I meant that De Palma always has an air for the theatrical, his films are high drama. You picked a perfect example with the "how about you call me....never" quote, and, another example I felt was when Isabelle was humiliated at the works party when Christine replayed her car accident accident and Isabelle breaks down hysterically. To me this almost verges on camp. I meant neither as a criticism, it is what I like about De Palma and along with his visual style is what sets him apart from other directors and what makes the film memorable. You always know when you are watching a De Palma film. I agree too that the ending was quite wonderful and was a great way to wrap up the film. Best regards Trevor
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Passion
Jun 23, 2013 15:57:10 GMT -5
Post by Christian on Jun 23, 2013 15:57:10 GMT -5
Trevor. I completely agree regarding De Palmas visual "brechtian" artificiality - I believe it's a staple of great art. Agree the the humiliation scene is bordering on that type of performance. I like to think it's not that unnatural a performance all things considered, as her character is a little unstable at this point (maybe not?). Maybe I'm just fighting it because I'm not too in love with the "heightened performances", at least in dramas - On the other hand, I don't mind James Cagney; or Jack Nicholson in The Shining (although maybe he goes a little overboard towards the end), so I don't know. It can certainly be more entertaining than a flat performance
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Jun 23, 2013 16:52:04 GMT -5
Post by drnix on Jun 23, 2013 16:52:04 GMT -5
It's interesting that you mention James Cagney, as I believe heightened theatrical performances are definitely a feature of noir of which Passion is definitely noir-ish. This is also particularly true of De Palma`s the Black Dahlia and the performances of Hilary Swank, and in particular Fiona Shaw as Ramona Linscott. Many critics hated her performance for being over the top, but to me it is darkly humerous and perfectly apt. Her final scene even takes place in front of what looks like a stage curtain and De Palma is playing games with convention.
Going back to Passion one other thing that that later struck me is the minimalist clean style and approach that De Palma uses uses in this film. I don't recall seeing that so much as a feature in his other works.
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Passion
Jun 23, 2013 17:36:14 GMT -5
Post by frankhabets on Jun 23, 2013 17:36:14 GMT -5
My second viewing of Passion changed my 'verdict' from great to masterpiece.
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Jun 23, 2013 17:42:51 GMT -5
Post by frankhabets on Jun 23, 2013 17:42:51 GMT -5
Going back to Passion one other thing that that later struck me is the minimalist clean style and approach that De Palma uses in this film. I don't recall seeing that so much as a feature in his other works. I kinda see (or maybe not) the 'minimalist clean style' you ascribe to some or many scenes. Could you point one out in particular to see if we're on the same page? Thanks!
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Jun 24, 2013 3:06:32 GMT -5
Post by drnix on Jun 24, 2013 3:06:32 GMT -5
I thought it was evident throughout the film, from the architecture and design of JJ Koch's office environment, to Isabelle's & Christine's appartments, through to the 'L'après-midi d'un faune Ballet performance'. Many scenes too feature just one or two of the main protagonists - the screen is no-where near as 'busy' as say Snake-Eyes or The Black Dahlia as examples. In Passion there is no 'clutter'. This might also be to emphasise the elements of German expressionism that appear during the film, the bright colours (particularly use of White, Black and Red in clothing and the surrounding environment), the shading, and the canted camera angles mid-way through the film. I thought it was a very interesting and successful approach.
One other question I have is whether anyone has seen the original film that Passion is based on (Crime d'amour)? I'd like to see this to see how the two films compare and work out what has been carried over from the original and what is entirely De Palma's vision. (I read for example that the twin sister story element is not in the original - please correct me if I'm wrong!)
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Passion
Jun 24, 2013 16:43:17 GMT -5
Post by Christian on Jun 24, 2013 16:43:17 GMT -5
My second viewing of Passion changed my 'verdict' from great to masterpiece. Interesting. I'm curious as to how you reached that assessment?
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